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Sara's avatar

I just leaves me questioning what is the good fruit of hierarchical complementarianism? Because it seems all a good fruit he describes is egalitarian in nature.

I really wish one of the things he wanted us to know about complementarianism is how good the fruit is with some examples it actually being good because what I've seen has been consistently bad. Hierarchical complementarianism only seems to benefit relationships in theory, which is why you see so many complementarians giving it lip service and then acting as egalitarian as possible in their relationships.

It all seems to boil down to somehow it's very important to limit women, although there is no good explanation as to how to determine exactly how God wants women limited (thus the spectrum of what women are allowed to do that keeps us on our toes as we move through different Christian spaces). And there is no explanation as to why God wants to limit women. It used to be the ontological inferiority of women, but obviously the reverend finds that offensive. Then it was the eternal subordination of the son, but now that's too close to heresy. So why is it so important to limit women if they are equal, gifted, and we need more of their leadership like the writer claims? Also, why did God place no limits on men using their spiritual gifts?

I want a coherent argument as to what the boundaries are, why they exist, and how God blesses us through them, because a hierarchical complementarian writing I'm not personally convinced isn't enough. The onus is on them to develop something that is clear, consistent and has a reason for it. Because egalitarianism does: men and women are both created in the image of God and are given the same role of being fruitful and exercising dominion (Gen 1:28) and throughout the Bible gifted women do the same things as men despite the patriarchy predicted by the curse, and there are no scriptures that limit women who are spiritually gifted (Romans 12), educated, and show the fruit of the spirit (1 Tim 2 an unsubmissive woman/wife who Paul is commanding to learn vs. Prisca, an educated woman who taught). This is consistent with the Bible's message of not having favoritism or division in the body. (James, 1 John, Galatians 3:28)

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Melissa Davis's avatar

I am curious how he defines Egalitarianism. Though, living in the States, I wish there were more complementarians of Dr. Judd's variety.

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