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Jen's avatar

You say:

"But let me ask you this:

Can you make a biblical case for complementarianism apart from the American culture wars? Is your complementarianism with all its lists of dos and don’ts comprehensible in a rural village in Mongolia or in the slums of Nairobi?"

This literally stopped me in my tracks (or since I was sitting down, stopped my eyes from reading further.)

It was living in Outer Mongolia (we were there more than a decade) that I began to question so much of what I took to be "truth". I began to realize how much of the way I read and understood the Bible was through my American Evangelical lens. Now after almost 25 years outside our "home" culture, having lived in three different cultures other than my own, I realize how much our "lenses" color our interpretations/applications of scripture.

Thank you for the challenge to really look at and understand why Christian communities might interpret things the way they do....our cultures definitely influence our interpretations of scripture. You have to look no further than Bible translations to see this....ESV vs NLT vs NASB etc. What is emphasized? What was the culture like in the days when the original scriptures were written? What choice of words were used? What was added/left out/mis-written from the ancient manuscripts that have been handed down when review/analysis has been done to insure there are no errors?

We need to remember that none of us have all the answers and we should always be growing in our knowledge...and remember we filter everything through our own lens...I pray we would all learn to filter through God's lens.

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Hey Michael. May I register 2 challenges, brother?

(1) To say complementarianism is “culture war” presumes it breaks with what’s come before. Demonstrating discontinuity with the previous theological consensus would make your point, as in, “Churches BEFORE the 1950s were mostly egalitarian. Then culture war happened and they began to believe ‘X.’” Okay, that would give legs to your argument. Whereas, if the historical record is: “Before 1950s most churches believed X. And now CBMW also propounds X,” then it’s harder to sustain the case that culture war CAUSED complementarianism. I sincerely don’t know: has much been written demonstrating significant discontinuity?

(2) But now suppose discontinuity. Let me offer an alternative historical reconstruction and then offer my second challenge. Suppose some theological development did occur with how 1980s CBMW complementarians talked about men and women. I’m willing to grant the some expressions or applications of CBMW complementarianism have been both wrong and culturally located. But I’m also inclined to say: doesn’t good theological development typically work that way? With imperfect first attempts followed by better and better second and third attempts? We both know theological development occurs in response to challenges, eg Nicaea to Arianism, Luther to indulgences, 9Marks to virtual church 😉. Luther is good. Calvin is even better. That’s how I view complementarianism beginning in the 1980s. First wave 1980s CBMW complementarianism offered good responses to external (2nd wave feminism) and internal (egalitarianism in biblical studies departments and churches) challenges. It helped the church more carefully tackle this previously uncontested area. Now, the first wave of complementarian writers or their popularizing pastors didn’t get everything right in the 1980s, just like Luther didn’t get everything right. But the general thrust of that movement was in a more biblical direction, yes, in response to internal and external forces pushing against the Bible.

Yet never mind my own historical reconstruction. That’s not actually my second challenge. Here’s my challenge: both your explanation (comp is culture war) and mine (comp is good doctrinal development) are question-begging. They assume the rightness of our biblical perspectives. If an egalitarian read of Scripture is right, then, yeah, culture war. If a comp read is right, yeah, good doctrinal development. In short, the REAL conversation is and will forever remain an exegetical one: what does the Bible say?

Bottom line: to sustain the “culture war is the cause of complementarianism” argument, which has certainly grown in currency of late, one needs to (i) demonstrate discontinuity with the past; and (ii) demonstrate that it really WAS NOT their reading of the Bible which caused John Piper and Tom Schreiner and Wayne Grudem and others to come to complementarian conclusions. It really WAS the culture war. And, again, I don’t know how you demonstrate that without presuming that your explanations of the Bible are right.

I offer these challenges in a spirit of friendship and affection, brother.

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