You know, ignorance and malevolence are a bad, bad combination. Nothing illustrates this more than some Baptist responses to the news that Beth Moore has joined an Anglican Church and she assisted in the distribution of the Eucharist. A few crazy folks seem to think that:
Dec 21, 2021·edited Dec 21, 2021Liked by Michael F. Bird
To those who don’t know what the heck they are talking about, you should shut the heck up! Since joining our Parish, Beth and her husband Keith have been absolutely WONDERFUL people to get to know and worship with!
For those Baptists, who for the most part don’t know a damn thing about Liturgical and Sacramental worship, to be criticizing her for wearing “Priestly Garb” during the Service don’t know a damn thing about what they are talking about.
First of they are called Vestments. What she is wearing are NOT Priestly Vestments. She is a Lay Reader (she reads the prescribed Scripture readings appointed for that particular Sunday, from the Old and New Testament). A Deacon or Priest reads the Gospel reading appointed for that Sunday. Beth has also volunteered her TIME and TALENT to also become a Lay Eucharistic Minister, which involves her dispensing the Consecrated wine from the Chalice. The Vestments she is wearing are a Black Cassock and a White Surplice. Those Vestments are worn by Lay members of the congregation who are participating as members of the Altar Party during the Celebration of the Holy Eucharist. I have personally worked with Beth in her new liturgical roles and she is FANTASTIC! She has a zeal and fire for serving the Lord in these capacities! I personally couldn’t be happier to have Beth as a member of our church family! Also, in the past 10 years or so, there have been several other high profile evangelical fundamentalist Protestant clergy who have come to know a fuller and more satisfying relationship with God through liturgical and sacramental worship.
You should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking a fellow Sister in Christ, because she has found the the fulfillment of her faith journey through the liturgical and sacramental worship handed down to the Church by the Apostles themselves!
Many Baptists do not know the difference between American Episcopalians and American Anglicans. Of course. If they think Donald Trump is a Christian, their spiritual perception may not be too good either...
Why was First Baptist Dallas having a Christmas service on December 19? It was the 4th Sunday of Advent at my church and the Spanish choir was outstanding, if you'll pardon the self-congratulation. We only get to do "La Virgen Suena Caminos" once a year!
ACNA confirmed here! Sadly Archbishop Foley Beach of ACNA went WOKE and I hope he is kicked out soon. Otherwise I LOVE ACNA....except those few locations that are obsessed with the Globalist agenda's like diversity etc. But EVERY denomination is infiltrated. Watch EnemiesWtihinTheChurch.com promoted by the Epoch Times to REALLY understand what is happening. (I watched on Vimeo.) Honestly ACNA has brought me closer to God. Blessings everyone and WATCH the movie! PS Having a great former U.S. president speak at any church would be a blessing! Especially a great man like President Trump!
1) I have some discomfort with "high church" in general, mainly because it seems too much like the Obsolete Covenant, but it's not something I'd get real exercised about.
2) I fully support women serving in any ministry open to men. (Well, except things like "men's room attendant," if such a ministry exists.)
3) I'm a supporter of Bad Orange Man, but that event at Jeffress's church was ridiculous.
As I read this, I was reminded of what John reported about Jesus command to the apostles:
“So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples” (NLT).
The context? Jesus, as a house slave, washes the disciples feet!
How can people believe that we are truly people of God and disciples of Jesus when there is bickering, schism, and lack of agape.
How can a minister of the Gospel condemn another believer for whom Christ died just because they serve God within a different tradition?
This is one of the reasons the Christian church in United States has lost credibility and is is seen as part of a political party.
Was Liam Goligher (minister of 10th Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia, apostate because he "changed" from being a baptist to being a presbyterian?? Was my wonderful pastor at Charlotte Baptist Chapel in Edinburgh apostate when he chose to worship at a presbyterian church after retiring from pastoral ministry?
This whole thread is interesting and I’m late to the party. What is interesting is that not one person here noted BM’s support of the Marxists of BLM and those types of statements she made when she broke away from the Baptists. I could care less where she was and where she ended up. The issue I had was her pushing a Marxist, racist agenda that has no place in the church or America for that matter. Everyone is bickering over denominations and missed the elephant in the room.
To both the Anglicans and the Baptist’s who are making there comments: “accusations and quarrels generate much heat, but dialogue generates much light”. We should try to least understand each other. This tribal mentality is not good. I confess that I was never a fan of Beth more’s ministry. There were criticisms I have as well.
Never the less, I welcome her into ACNA for I too am a sooner in need of Grace.
Would be willing to bet that Beth Moore is enamored more right now with a change of scenery than confident in the doctrines and liturgy that will drive her at some point back to her roots. Part of the personal spiritual growth cycle. Some are late bloomers in this category. Just sayin.
The ignorance... it's painful. I absolutely know people who would gobble those tweets up like candy, it's maddening to think that the people "at the top" in these denominations(that thrive off from their members being ignorant and holding these stereotypes) MUST be aware and have no excuse to continue to foster this to enrich themselves. We live in a day when ignorance to that degree is unacceptable, these leaders have access to more information than ever before... rant over.
To those who don’t know what the heck they are talking about, you should shut the heck up! Since joining our Parish, Beth and her husband Keith have been absolutely WONDERFUL people to get to know and worship with!
For those Baptists, who for the most part don’t know a damn thing about Liturgical and Sacramental worship, to be criticizing her for wearing “Priestly Garb” during the Service don’t know a damn thing about what they are talking about.
First of they are called Vestments. What she is wearing are NOT Priestly Vestments. She is a Lay Reader (she reads the prescribed Scripture readings appointed for that particular Sunday, from the Old and New Testament). A Deacon or Priest reads the Gospel reading appointed for that Sunday. Beth has also volunteered her TIME and TALENT to also become a Lay Eucharistic Minister, which involves her dispensing the Consecrated wine from the Chalice. The Vestments she is wearing are a Black Cassock and a White Surplice. Those Vestments are worn by Lay members of the congregation who are participating as members of the Altar Party during the Celebration of the Holy Eucharist. I have personally worked with Beth in her new liturgical roles and she is FANTASTIC! She has a zeal and fire for serving the Lord in these capacities! I personally couldn’t be happier to have Beth as a member of our church family! Also, in the past 10 years or so, there have been several other high profile evangelical fundamentalist Protestant clergy who have come to know a fuller and more satisfying relationship with God through liturgical and sacramental worship.
You should be ashamed of yourselves for attacking a fellow Sister in Christ, because she has found the the fulfillment of her faith journey through the liturgical and sacramental worship handed down to the Church by the Apostles themselves!
God bless Beth as she continues her new journey!
Michael Daigle
She’s actually dressed as a Lay Reader and a Chalice Bearer rather than a priest. So much Christian love and kindness here!
Many Baptists do not know the difference between American Episcopalians and American Anglicans. Of course. If they think Donald Trump is a Christian, their spiritual perception may not be too good either...
Dr. Bird — and I mean this gently — Rod D. Martin tweets should come with TRIGGER WARNINGS!! <3
Why was First Baptist Dallas having a Christmas service on December 19? It was the 4th Sunday of Advent at my church and the Spanish choir was outstanding, if you'll pardon the self-congratulation. We only get to do "La Virgen Suena Caminos" once a year!
ACNA confirmed here! Sadly Archbishop Foley Beach of ACNA went WOKE and I hope he is kicked out soon. Otherwise I LOVE ACNA....except those few locations that are obsessed with the Globalist agenda's like diversity etc. But EVERY denomination is infiltrated. Watch EnemiesWtihinTheChurch.com promoted by the Epoch Times to REALLY understand what is happening. (I watched on Vimeo.) Honestly ACNA has brought me closer to God. Blessings everyone and WATCH the movie! PS Having a great former U.S. president speak at any church would be a blessing! Especially a great man like President Trump!
1) I have some discomfort with "high church" in general, mainly because it seems too much like the Obsolete Covenant, but it's not something I'd get real exercised about.
2) I fully support women serving in any ministry open to men. (Well, except things like "men's room attendant," if such a ministry exists.)
3) I'm a supporter of Bad Orange Man, but that event at Jeffress's church was ridiculous.
As a South African, this whole conversation completely blows my mind. What a storm in a teacup.
As I read this, I was reminded of what John reported about Jesus command to the apostles:
“So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples” (NLT).
The context? Jesus, as a house slave, washes the disciples feet!
How can people believe that we are truly people of God and disciples of Jesus when there is bickering, schism, and lack of agape.
How can a minister of the Gospel condemn another believer for whom Christ died just because they serve God within a different tradition?
This is one of the reasons the Christian church in United States has lost credibility and is is seen as part of a political party.
Was Liam Goligher (minister of 10th Presbyterian Church, Philadelphia, apostate because he "changed" from being a baptist to being a presbyterian?? Was my wonderful pastor at Charlotte Baptist Chapel in Edinburgh apostate when he chose to worship at a presbyterian church after retiring from pastoral ministry?
This whole thread is interesting and I’m late to the party. What is interesting is that not one person here noted BM’s support of the Marxists of BLM and those types of statements she made when she broke away from the Baptists. I could care less where she was and where she ended up. The issue I had was her pushing a Marxist, racist agenda that has no place in the church or America for that matter. Everyone is bickering over denominations and missed the elephant in the room.
To both the Anglicans and the Baptist’s who are making there comments: “accusations and quarrels generate much heat, but dialogue generates much light”. We should try to least understand each other. This tribal mentality is not good. I confess that I was never a fan of Beth more’s ministry. There were criticisms I have as well.
Never the less, I welcome her into ACNA for I too am a sooner in need of Grace.
Would be willing to bet that Beth Moore is enamored more right now with a change of scenery than confident in the doctrines and liturgy that will drive her at some point back to her roots. Part of the personal spiritual growth cycle. Some are late bloomers in this category. Just sayin.
Looks like Anglicans are as ignorant of Southern Baptists as the Baptists are of Anglicans. Call this one a draw.
Nothing against Anglicans, the dichotomy of Beth Moore is the subject of interest.
The ignorance... it's painful. I absolutely know people who would gobble those tweets up like candy, it's maddening to think that the people "at the top" in these denominations(that thrive off from their members being ignorant and holding these stereotypes) MUST be aware and have no excuse to continue to foster this to enrich themselves. We live in a day when ignorance to that degree is unacceptable, these leaders have access to more information than ever before... rant over.