Great intro. As a cautious egalitarian, I am looking forward to your response to Winger. I am going to be "that guy" and ask if you have read my piece on the social context of 1 Tim 2:15, childbearing, maternal mortality, etc. (JETS 55/4 2012). Happy to forward it if you are interested. Either way, I always finish your podcasts better-informed than I was before--thanks! (Moyer Hubbard)
I’ve primarily read it through Hoag’s and Glahn’s religio-historical analysis. I’m intrigued at how Gnosticism might fit into that since that isn’t mentioned by either of the aforementioned authors. (Edit: I believe Gupta similarly doesn’t mention a gnostic influence. Correct me if I’m wrong please.)
The false teaching in 1 Timothy is disputed. Also, whether it impacts 1 Tim 2 is also disputed. My thesis doesn't rely on women holding to Gnostic views. It might be as simple as women still carrying baggage from Ephesian local religions.
This is really helpful on a lot of levels--I'd never heard of Mike Winger. I am intrigued by your reading of 1 Tim 2, but the hurdle is vv 13-14. As you know, the argument by complementarians is that Paul's instructions aren't grounded here in the specific historical context/the Artemis cult, but the early chapters of Genesis. How would you respond? Also, is there a difference between prophesying, and teaching/preaching/pastoring? As a recovering complementarian who is wrestling with this issue afresh, and is open to being swayed, I'm genuinely curious about your take on these issues! Love your blog.
Great intro. As a cautious egalitarian, I am looking forward to your response to Winger. I am going to be "that guy" and ask if you have read my piece on the social context of 1 Tim 2:15, childbearing, maternal mortality, etc. (JETS 55/4 2012). Happy to forward it if you are interested. Either way, I always finish your podcasts better-informed than I was before--thanks! (Moyer Hubbard)
I’ve primarily read it through Hoag’s and Glahn’s religio-historical analysis. I’m intrigued at how Gnosticism might fit into that since that isn’t mentioned by either of the aforementioned authors. (Edit: I believe Gupta similarly doesn’t mention a gnostic influence. Correct me if I’m wrong please.)
The false teaching in 1 Timothy is disputed. Also, whether it impacts 1 Tim 2 is also disputed. My thesis doesn't rely on women holding to Gnostic views. It might be as simple as women still carrying baggage from Ephesian local religions.
This is really helpful on a lot of levels--I'd never heard of Mike Winger. I am intrigued by your reading of 1 Tim 2, but the hurdle is vv 13-14. As you know, the argument by complementarians is that Paul's instructions aren't grounded here in the specific historical context/the Artemis cult, but the early chapters of Genesis. How would you respond? Also, is there a difference between prophesying, and teaching/preaching/pastoring? As a recovering complementarian who is wrestling with this issue afresh, and is open to being swayed, I'm genuinely curious about your take on these issues! Love your blog.
Lance, yes, I now, and that's why I'm going to tackle vv. 11-15 in depth.