Thanks Dr. Bird for doing a critique of the book. I haven’t read the book. It’s very popular in Reformed/ Calvinist circles in America 🇺🇸. You also definitely want to read A Case against Christian Nationalism by Blake Collins( have read but would like to), he critiques Steven Wolves book. I also think Christians ought to read the works of Roger Williams. I live in RI and the idea of Christian Nationalism is very unpopular in New England. His wisdom for church/state issues might be useful.
Thanks for reply Dr. Bird. Another book I recommend is The Religion of American Great: What’s Wrong with Christian Nationalism by Paul D. Miller, very in depth from an American perspective but definitely would be helpful for as Australian. I also think we American Christians could use some wisdom from our other western friends in dealing with church/state issues.
You are going to have to expand on your Brexit comment in the future. I read from Belfast where a European identity persuaded many to vote for the Good Friday agreement and provided an alternative reality in which Irish and British nationalists could live together.
Protestants in Northern Ireland tried their own version of Christian Nationalism in the 1950’s and 60’s and look where it got us .
I would agree with what Mikes written but have a problem with his interpretation of Brexit. Many UK voters liked their European identity along with the right to travel, work and live elsewhere in the EU and didn't see it conflicting with their national identity. I think it's generally been recognised that Brexit has been economically disastrous for the UK and the UKs withdrawal has encouraged right wing nationalist parties who want to break up the EU. Amongst other things the EU has certain standards in freedoms and rights (including religious liberty) which seems increasingly under threat.
Simon, my view of BREXIT changed over the course of time. I was initially pro-EU until I saw how the EU behaved over BREXIT. Also, there was a big faction of the English left, think of the Tony Benn types, who were always suspicious of the EU as an imperial machine. Remember, (1) Britain's relationship to Europe has ALWAYS been on and off again; (2) The EU has evolved from a free trade hub to those calling for a "European Empire" (Guy Verhofstadt); (3) The economic benefits of EU membership are unevently distributed in the UK, great for academics, bankers, and bureaucrats, but not so good for working class people, why the working class voted for BREXIT; and (4) The EU has declared anyone with reservation about the EU as anti-Europe, an equation I reject.
Thanks Michael for taking the bait. My feelings towards Europe , living in the Island of Ireland, are very different. As I read your reasoning I can’t help thinking of the Life of Brian line “What have the Romans ever done for us ..”
We all will watch the latest Swiss referendum ( seeking to restrict the population to 10 million) with interest
I am no fan of Christian Nationalism. I have read Douglas Wilson’s, Mere Christendom. While agreeing with many of his criticisms of our current national social and political status, his prescriptions are far off-base. He calls himself a “theocratic libertarian”.
Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Thanks Dr. Bird for doing a critique of the book. I haven’t read the book. It’s very popular in Reformed/ Calvinist circles in America 🇺🇸. You also definitely want to read A Case against Christian Nationalism by Blake Collins( have read but would like to), he critiques Steven Wolves book. I also think Christians ought to read the works of Roger Williams. I live in RI and the idea of Christian Nationalism is very unpopular in New England. His wisdom for church/state issues might be useful.
Yes, Roger Williams and the Baptist tradition are good on this point. precisely why Stephen Wolfe treats them with suspicion.
Thanks for reply Dr. Bird. Another book I recommend is The Religion of American Great: What’s Wrong with Christian Nationalism by Paul D. Miller, very in depth from an American perspective but definitely would be helpful for as Australian. I also think we American Christians could use some wisdom from our other western friends in dealing with church/state issues.
Sorry I made another error it’s Blake Callens. I need to proof read more 😄😃
I meant I haven’t read Blake Collin’s book, oops another typing error
You are going to have to expand on your Brexit comment in the future. I read from Belfast where a European identity persuaded many to vote for the Good Friday agreement and provided an alternative reality in which Irish and British nationalists could live together.
Protestants in Northern Ireland tried their own version of Christian Nationalism in the 1950’s and 60’s and look where it got us .
Looking forward to the next instalment!
I would agree with what Mikes written but have a problem with his interpretation of Brexit. Many UK voters liked their European identity along with the right to travel, work and live elsewhere in the EU and didn't see it conflicting with their national identity. I think it's generally been recognised that Brexit has been economically disastrous for the UK and the UKs withdrawal has encouraged right wing nationalist parties who want to break up the EU. Amongst other things the EU has certain standards in freedoms and rights (including religious liberty) which seems increasingly under threat.
Simon, my view of BREXIT changed over the course of time. I was initially pro-EU until I saw how the EU behaved over BREXIT. Also, there was a big faction of the English left, think of the Tony Benn types, who were always suspicious of the EU as an imperial machine. Remember, (1) Britain's relationship to Europe has ALWAYS been on and off again; (2) The EU has evolved from a free trade hub to those calling for a "European Empire" (Guy Verhofstadt); (3) The economic benefits of EU membership are unevently distributed in the UK, great for academics, bankers, and bureaucrats, but not so good for working class people, why the working class voted for BREXIT; and (4) The EU has declared anyone with reservation about the EU as anti-Europe, an equation I reject.
Thanks Michael for taking the bait. My feelings towards Europe , living in the Island of Ireland, are very different. As I read your reasoning I can’t help thinking of the Life of Brian line “What have the Romans ever done for us ..”
We all will watch the latest Swiss referendum ( seeking to restrict the population to 10 million) with interest
I am no fan of Christian Nationalism. I have read Douglas Wilson’s, Mere Christendom. While agreeing with many of his criticisms of our current national social and political status, his prescriptions are far off-base. He calls himself a “theocratic libertarian”.
In the original Dutch 😂😂. Were you wearing the green jacket when you wrote this?